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EW 7♦; EW 6N; EW 6♠; EW 1♥; EW 1♣; Par −2140
| West | North | East | South |
| 1 ♠ | Pass | 2 ♣ | Pass |
| 2 ♦ | Pass | 2 ♥ | Pass |
| 3 ♦ | Pass | 4 ♠ | All pass |
| Lead: ♠ 2 |
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EW 7♦; EW 6N; EW 6♠; EW 1♥; EW 1♣; Par −2140
| West | North | East | South |
| 1 ♠ | Pass | 2 ♣ | Pass |
| 2 ♦ | Pass | 2 ♥ | Pass |
| 3 ♦ | Pass | 4 ♠ | All pass |
| Lead: ♠ 2 |
At our table:
ReplyDeleteW N E S
1♠ P 2 NT 3♥
4♣ P 4 ♥ Dble
5 ♦ P 6 ♦ P
6 ♠ All pass
Lead: ♥3
Well done to Ken and Jan for getting to 6S on 28 points. Opener shows 11-15 points and 5 card major. 2NT is Jacoby GF in spades. 4C, 4H, 5D show first round controls. Bidding possibly second round controls here would not help West since East may have the heart king under the ace of the suit. Interested in Wayne's view on the two alternative approaches. I guess it is a balance of usefulness versus frequency. In this particular hand maybe Ken is egging the pudding since 4NT would show all 5 key cards.
Sorry to be a bit slow to respond.
DeleteI like the 3H bid risky but it helps with the lead. Having bid 3H I don't think you need to double. Double actually gets the opponents some extra bidding spade with redouble and pass.
In this auction that is competitive it is not clear what new suits should be. I like to play new suits show second suits in competitive auctions so as to help partner if they happen to out bid us to the five-level rather than cue-bids. So having suggested a third alternative approach i can now get on to the two alternatives.
Honestly i do not think there is that much between them. I have probably played 1st/2nds more now but occasionally play with someone who insists on firsts. For the first 10-15 years playing bridge I played exclusively firsts and now for a bit longer i changed to 1st/2nd. I would say that they both can work but you have different problems.
If there was demand perhaps we could have workshop on cue-bidding.
yep, I have a heap of workshop surveys that suggest cue bidding as a future topic
DeleteI'll leave wayne to comment on the relative merits of control bidding alternatives. But interesting hand aside from that. I think ACOL should get to slam but possibly wrong strain, ie something like 1S 2D; 4C 4H; 4S 4NT; 5H 5NT; 6D, with 4C being a splinter. Note that the key here is the 2D bid and not 2C as per the actual table bid. I think Precision has an easier route as 2NT presumably has some slam intentions as otherwise east can just bid 4S, whereas with ACOL 4S has to be reserved for pre-empt type layouts, and therefore 2NT doesn't imply slam intent, merely a GF with no shortage. The 3H bid makes life interesting. I would have thought that for most playing jacoby 2NT 4C would be shortage, x would be heart shortage, 3S (extra length without shortage) and 3NT (extra strength without shortage) would have the same meaning as without the interference. Pass means "my hand has turned to a heap of crap"?
ReplyDeleteThere is an old adage "don't bid bad suits on good hands". That seems to apply to the 2C/2D choice.
DeleteSadly (for us) K & J were the only EW pair to get to the slam although all but one pair were playing Acol.
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